"Balance Beam for Girls" & A Tribute to Devil Doll

The Short

The glory of gymnastics is one that has been adored by many, most of which were wee ones who watched Mighty Morphin Power Rangers in the 90's who thought Kimberly's gymnast abilities were equal to a form of martial arts.  Here we have an old training film that shows off a gymnast working some moves on a balance beam, likely so students could study it and then try it themselves so if putty monsters attack they could kick them in the face.

I'm assuming all of this is accurate to gymnastics.  It would be pretty fucked up for this film to exist if it weren't.  The film doesn't really walk us through the steps of proper routines, opting instead just to show them performed with some slight commentary.  Balance Beam for Girls plays out like one of those "How To..." Goofy cartoons, only done with a straight face and less pratfalling.

In fact, I think there is a gymnastics Goofy cartoon.  Maybe I should watch that instead.

But before I do that, this short is given to Emily's crew, who do an adequate job.  There are a bit too many soft jabs like "Well, this is an unfortunate angle." and the like.  Y'know, commentary that points out things that might be humorous if they played it up.  Instead, we get jokes that are like "Think of how funny this would be if we made fun of it."  The pullback gags like this are a bit of a downer.  They can push a little further with lines commenting on the sexual nature of certain positions, such as the "straddle," which Emily has the narrator defend with "Stop snickering!  I didn't name these!"  It's still a bit of a pullback joke, but it works better.  They tend to get funnier when they throw in some silly pop culture references, like a gratuitous slow motion scene causing Crow to wonder if they're watching the Snyder Cut, or a rather perfect Saturday Night Live reference to "SUPERSTAR!"  Balance Beam for Girls is a bit of a rebound with jokes like that, which makes it a fun one.

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The Livestream (The Stinger?)

Hey, guess what?  I have a new laptop so I'm not as bitter as I was for the last two events.  However, similar to the Secret Agent Super Dragon event, I wasn't able to watch this one live, but that was because of a work scheduling issue and not internet woes.  Things wound up being so busy that I didn't get to watch the event in full until a week later, but all things considered I'm in pretty good spirits this for this one because I'm not typing this on a tiny screen with hand cramps.

After our brand new short, we get a special presentation of the episode Devil Doll (review here), which is a very rock-solid season eight entertainer.  I was very happy with this as the October tribute selection and was very engaged in watching it again because I laughed the whole way through.  We also get a few extra bonus sketches from the modern crews.  Emily's Bots are very in tune with what the Great Vorelli is all about, as they have a pair of segments where they tell Emily of how many things they've transferred souls into and even put Emily under a hypnotic trance.  Jonah and his Bots are more into the Halloween spirit, but Jonah ruins the mood showing up as a "bloodsucking umpire."

The aftershow, or what Tim Ryder is now name-trialing as "The Stinger," has Tim, Rebecca Hanson, Jonah Ray, and Hampton Yount participating in a few rounds of a Jackbox game called Trivia Murder Party 2, which is a trivia and minigame competition that takes about fifteen minutes a round.  While the game is kinda cute, the big issue I have is that there is very little interactivity in this stream.  There is some joking around and a couple of laughs, but a good portion of it is concentrated silence, which isn't all that entertaining to watch.  But some of their reactions are fun so I'll give it a slight pass.

Discussion topics are light, though they discuss some of their favorite Halloween movies.  Tim shares his latest tradition, which is watching the Adam Sandler vehicle Hubie Halloween on Netflix every October because he's not a horror guy (I'm wondering if we can convince him that Barbarian is a sequel to Hubie Halloween so we can get him to watch that for lulz), though he does have a slight fondness for The Blair Witch Project.  Hampton has just watched The Gate and Jonah praises Deadstream on Shudder (which I've heard good things about and may have to watch in the near future) while saying he was weirded out by Men (which...yeah, of course he was).  Jonah also talks about a few horror projects he's participated in recently, including his own feature Destroy All Neighbors.

Speaking of horror featuring MST alums, Baron Vaughn directed a segment of a movie called Scare Package a few years ago and that's totally worth watching.  Last Drive-In version if you can.

Festivities are light outside of all of this and there seems to be an acknowledgement that there isn't too much meat on the bones of tonight's stream, so they showcase the DVD bonus feature The Puppet Master, which is an interview with Devil Doll producer Richard Gordon on the making of the film.  The whole stream is an overall okay experience wrapped around a fun episode, but it didn't quite engage me like I hoped it would.

1310-The Shape of Things to Come

Film Year:  1979

Genre:  Science Fiction

Director:  George McCowan

Starring:  Jack Palance, Barry Morse, Nicholas Campbell, Anne-Marie Martin, Carol Lynley, John Ireland

MST Season:  13

Host:  Emily

The Movie

*I HAVE SURVIVED WATCHING THIS MOVIE UNRIFFED*

One of the more landmark names in the history of science fiction is H.G. Wells, who of course gifted us such classics as The Time Machine, The War of the Worlds, and The Invisible Man.  I used to read a few of his books as a kid myself but one that I hadn't gotten around to was a book called The Shape of Things to Come, which was a story about a future that is ravaged by plagues and wars, reverting to less advanced civilization that rebuilds from the ground up with new ideals.  At least that's the gist of it that I can get from skimming the Wikipedia overview.  I don't know if that summery is entirely accurate or not.

Anyway, pop culture moves on to another landmark in science fiction, a movie called Star Wars released in 1977.  Suddenly feature films set in space are big business and many are rushed into production.  Some became classics, like Alien, while some wound up on Mystery Science Theater 3000, like Starcrash.  In the heat of this science fiction boom to capitalize on the name of a noted science fiction author probably seemed like a smart advertising plan in the moment, and H.G. Wells was probably the best name you could use.  The problem was that Wells didn't really have any space operas under his belt.  I guess you could reinvent War of the Worlds into one if you really needed to, but the George Pal adaptation was still highly regarded at this point and I imagine nobody was interested in touching it.

The Shape of Things to Come had been adapted to film before with a film called Things to Come in 1936, which apparently was fairly loose itself but more faithful than this film.  This version of The Shape of Things to Come pretty much borrows the title and maybe a few character names and nothing else, instead creating an original space adventure to capitalize off of Star Wars.  This movie shows man having been relocated to a moon colony following the ravaging of Earth from the Robot Wars (Robot Wars is a prequel in my headcanon and you can't change my mind).  They find their way of life in danger when Jack Palance suddenly appears with an army of robots and insists that he is the new emperor of the galaxy.  It's up to a scrappy group of dogooders to fend off Palance on the distant planet of Delta 3.

With little knowledge of the source material, I instead have to judge this movie based on its own merits, which are uneven.  Here's the deal, the models in this movie never don't look like models, but a lot of the designs are neat to look at and I admire the crafting of them if nothing else.  If you squint really hard, this movie almost passes off as the original Battlestar Galactica series from the 70's.  But looking at it eyes wide can show it's a much shoddier production, with lackluster costume design and some bulky and clunky not-too-intimidating robot antagonists.

The movie does have some inherent cheese factor that helps keep it afloat though, so B-movie enthusiasts will find it of interest.  The music is overbearing and often silly in how large it feels in comparison to mundane things onscreen.  There is a slow motion sequence in a "gravity vortex" which is hilarious and makes the wormhole sequence from Star Trek:  The Motion Picture look like nuanced cinema.  And then there is just Jack Palance, who is Palancing it up a storm.  I haven't seen him Palance it up like this since Tim Burton's Batman.

The Shape of Things to Come is a crummy movie, but it's not a painful one.  It's enjoyable under the right circumstances and even a bit funny and entertaining.  I had fun with it, even if it does staple a dead man's name on its poster for a tasteless marketing ploy.

The Episode

As if The Million Eyes of Sumuru wasn't enough, this season needed another film that was already featured on RiffTrax and Shape of Things to Come drew the short straw.

Incidentally "loosely based on" adaptations of H.G. Wells' work are also no stranger to MST3K.  We've seen a handful in the past, namely Village of the Giants (based on Food of the Gods) and Riding with Death (based on The Invisible Man).  As a sideways relation, we also had Alien from L.A., which was "inspired by" Jules Verne's Journey to the Center of the Earth, as well.  We have an honored history of bastardizations.  The Shape of Things to Come is just the latest.  And whew boy is it a doozy.

Probably my big fear of this episode going in was that the riffers were going to ride a "This is nothing like the book" joke too hard, which is funny once or twice but constantly bringing it up can derail an entire experience and make it boring.  Mystery Science Theater doesn't really have a history of that, as it's more of a pitfall that RiffTrax falls into.  I'm pleased to say The Shape of Things to Come doesn't do this, but it's not that great of a riff despite this.  The Shape of Things to Come is an easy target, almost endearingly so.  Emily even states this movie is "kind of adorable, in a factory reject Beanie Baby kind of way."  That is a bit of the tone set with this effort, which plays with it but doesn't desire to really kick it.  It's almost a coasting vibe.

It's hard to pinpoint anything that really goes wrong.  Unlike the last few episodes (Batwoman especially), it does feel like our riffers are taking advantage of the openings they're given and taking a shot.  My reaction tended to default to "Heh, that's cute" rather than a full blown laugh.  Set design being compared to Hershey's chocolate because of its texture and style is pretty clever.  I didn't really laugh, but I appreciated the gag.  I liked the running joke of the two young leads romantic tension being interpreted as full friend zone, and that had some okay material that never really induced a huge reaction.  At the same time there are moments that feel miscalculated by the tiniest fraction which ruins the joke.  There is a moment where a character admires the majesty of space and Crow does a Monty Python and the Holy Grail reference with "It's only a model," which is a funny line in Python but doesn't work here because nothing being shown is an actual model.  There is also a moment where Emily and the Bots do the gag where they assume the movie is over and get up to leave, but it feels like they hit their mark too early as they stand awkwardly for about two seconds before the punchline finally hits and effectively ruining the timing.  It feels like we're a little off our game here and they're just taking a bunt with this movie.

I'm not too crazy about the Host Segments of this episode either.  I think the roast party hazing of the movie's obnoxious robot Sparks is pretty cringe in it's intentionally bad humor.  It feels like it has slight redemption when Emily takes center stage in the conclusion and gives it a more dramatic payoff than anybody was expecting, then absolutely wins the night with her final line of "Excuse me for trying to show my range!"  It's not enough to save a segment that I had already written off, but it's a hell of a note to end on.  Emily also steps up for a podcast called "The Shape of Crimes to Come," which hits more high notes than the previous segment, but is little more than a few great potshots at podcast entertainment stretched to fill time.  The most enjoyable segment for me was Emily explaining the concept of love to the Bots, of which her descriptions of what love is are both hilarious and sadly honest.  It's very much the same type of segment you would have seen during the best years of the Joel era, like the "What is hell?" segment from Eegah.  We also get an Invention Exchange featuring a drink rollercoaster and Turkey Corncob Holders.

And we get a full minute of Waverly and Growler!  Yay?  Can we get some more screen time for both them and Mega Synthia, because they're all dying from neglect.

A part of me thinks it's unfortunate that Emily and her crew came in as hot as they did with Beyond Atlantis.  It's almost as if they burned out after that jackpot inaugural effort because everything they've been in since has hit much softer.  With Emily's final effort with her Bots this season (but hopefully not the last overall) it hurts to call it humdrum, because I like this team so much, but it just doesn't get my juices flowing.  The group started with a bang but ended with a whisper.  I really wanted them to deliver us something special, like Jonah's crew did with Gamera vs. Jiger and Joel did with Demon Squad, but unfortunately it looks like we'll have to see if they have another season in the pipeline to see these performers deliver a truly great episode.  The Shape of Things to Come was not it, and that's all I'll say for certain as of right now.

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The Livestream

The answer to the question that no one asked is yes, my laptop is still down and this is another entry I have to type out on my phone.  I'm so happy I had a lot of this season prepped in advance, so this was really just a few paragraphs to finish off, unlike the previous stream which I had to build from scratch.

Yes, I'm going to keep being a little bitch about this.  I'm at this point in the review and I already have hand cramps.

Anyway, tonight's stream has Matt McGinnis, Emily Marsh, Jonah Ray, and Kelsey Ann Brady, with special guest star:  tech issues!  Different tech issues that we're used to though, as this time we have a delay in the feed.  What's interesting is that the delay progresses as each member is introduced.  We start with Matt, who is slightly off-sync, then we see Kelsey is a little more off-sync, then Emily comes on completely off-sync, and Jonah's feed is an absolute travesty.  It gets a bit problematic as everyone starts talking over each other, because you can tell from their video they're having a hard time telling when they're each talking.  It's messy and glorious. 

There isn't a whole lot of time spent discussing this episode, and I can't tell if that's because they're not too enthused about it either or if they're just getting sidetracked because Jonah's end of the feed has a low flying helicopter that interrupts their train of thought from time to time.  Apparently someone is stuck on a trail near where Jonah is at, and Jonah's attempt at mood lighting with a sunset (which is admittedly very pretty) meant he's sitting outside where the action is taking place.  They discuss how incomprehensible the movie is, a little bit about Sparks, and a little bit about Jack Palance (though even more about how to pronounce his name).

Viewer questions are a nice half and half of production and fluff, and even when the questions get fluffy they tend to have substance behind it.  There is no silly "If you were Jack Palance, what kind of robot army would you build?" or whatever the fuck.  No, non-productive questions tonight are more interesting than that.  One viewer ponders that since this movie doesn't bear any resemblance to the book it's named after, is there any film that bears little material to source material that they have strong feelings about.  Kelsey is one of many Avatar:  The Last Airbender fans who hates M. Night Shyamalan, while Emily brings up the notorious Stephen King lawsuit against The Lawnmower Man and also gets very bitter about the Hobbit trilogy (though her Guillermo Del Toro slander will not stand with me).  Jonah just talks about Stephen King in general and how his short stories tend to make better movies than his full novels.

My counterpoint and addition to this conversation:  The Running Man.  Unquestionably one of the greatest movies ever made and bears no resemblance to the novel it's based on, and thank god for that.

There is also some talk about puppets and what their favorite puppets are.  Kelsey just loves Gonzo, while Jonah loves characters who are people in giant puppet suits.  Emily talks about her love of The Dark Crystal and is a little less fond of childhood mainstay Thunderbirds (I love Thunderbirds, goddammit).  My puppet contribution:  I don't know if you'd call them puppets or not, but Jim Henson's creations for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are absolutely beautiful.

Production questions are more about writing that filming.  One question asks what normally derails a writers' room, to which Jonah frankly responds "The writers!"  They turn the discussion into a lot of points about how the writing process works, how they decide to deliver jokes in the final product, and even how they figure out how much time they need to fill.  There is also a question that is very poorly worded but brings out a solid discussion of whether a celebrity is more enjoyable to make fun of than a lesser known actor, of which Jonah points out one of the best things MST3K can do is take a nameless side character and tack on a personality of their choosing on them.

Time seems to be cut short tonight because this stream is only forty minutes long.  I'm not sure if it's a mercy killing or not, because the helicopter on Jonah's end seems to be throwing them off.  Kelsey also makes a brief joking reference to being in the middle of the hurricane in Florida, which I'm not sure is true or not, but if it is stay safe, Kelsey!  It's all a bit in-and-out tonight, but to their credit nobody is half-assing it.  They might be in a rush to leave, but everyone seems happy to be here.

And speaking of leaving, my fingers are stiff and I am done.

"Cavalcade" & A Tribute to Secret Agent Super Dragon (MST3K Sepecial)

The Short

At long last, Mystery Science Theater 3000 has enough clout that it can feature a Best Picture Academy Award Winning film.  Kinga should be proud.  That film is Cavalcade, the 1933 film that tells a generational saga of life in England...

Hold on a second...I'm being told that this Cavalcade is actually something different.  It's actually an industrial short showcasing various livelihoods in rapid succession (a "cavalcade," if you will).  We get to see those great American workers as they build communication towers and automobiles, work with lead, and, most importantly of all...ostrich racing.

Cavalcade is just a ten minute salute to American ingenuity, hitting you so hard with constructive achievements and moving onto the next one before you get too bored.  It has a sort of "Gee whiz!" enthusiasm underlining it that might get someone curious about one subject or another.  Basically these sort of shorts accomplish what can be done in a quick YouTube video today, except you don't have to search through all the cat videos and engagement grifters to find it.

Still...those ostriches came out of nowhere.  Is that still a thing?  I might change careers if I can get in on that.

On the riffing end, we have a bit of a surprise, as for some reason this short is selected for Pearl Forrester and Dr. Lawrence Erhardt.  A curious selection to be sure, but a welcome one.  The former Cinematic Titanic performers of Mary Jo Pehl and J. Elvis Weinstein hit the theater to show off their chops and they hit a home run with what is easily the best short the Gizmoplex has offered yet!  Mind you, these Gizmoplex shorts haven't quite been series highlights (as Court Case has been the best one so far, and that was only fairly good), but I will say that Cavalcade successfully brings in that classic short flavor into the theater and it offers up a lot of retro outdatedness to successfully mock.  Mary Jo and J. Elvis are quite exceptional here, offering up quality quips that bring plenty of belly laughs.

"The Paradox of Lead."

"If it's so dangerous, why does it taste so good?"

If I were to nitpick one thing, I'd say the ostrich segment, while funny, never takes off with its brazen oddness.  It feels like it should be the epic and memorable conclusion, but it winds up just more of the same.  I guess I'll have to settle for this being quite funny instead of hilarious, though what Cavalcade does make me desire is to see more of Mary Jo and J. Elvis in the limelight.  These are two exceptional talents and Cavalcade shows off just how much they bring to this franchise.

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The Livestream

I've been doing what I can to keep my finger on the pulse of these new Mystery Science Theater 3000 episodes and special events, but this one was cursed.  I was all set and prepared to watch it the night it streamed live, but my internet completely collapsed from under me.  I tried to get it steady throughout the short, of which I was initially under the impression that it was Joel and Emily in the theater because I was only seeing frames of it and not hearing dialogue.  The minute I finally heard a riff I finally realized that it was actually J. Elvis and Mary Jo and I was missing something special.  But my internet would not cooperate and I had to give up for the night.  Since I had already missed the short and I'm not too fond of Secret Agent Super Dragon (review here), paired with how the last few tribute events only offered DVD bonus features as the aftershow, I retired for the night instead of watching on my phone.  I finally watched what I had missed during my lunch breaks during work that week.  I missed a great short and an improv RPG event, and now I was irritated.

Making matters worse was I was going to watch the event in full this weekend for review, but my laptop completely went belly up, which means I'm typing all of this on my phone until I can get it fixed and you better appreciate me right now because this suuuuuuuuuuucks.

Anyway, tribute event.  Excellent short, not so great episode, excellent aftershow.

Listen, the episode selections for the tribute shows aren't going to please everybody.  I'm sure there are some fans who aren't crazy about some of the episodes already selected and are probably ecstatic that Super Dragon is at the center of attention here.  This event is for them.  And whether of not I think Super Dragon is that good or not, there is some interesting presentation experimentation going on.  Instead of the "surgically enhanced" look that Pumaman was going for, they do play around and try to work the episode into filling HD screens in a way that might please more people.  This time they do something similar to what old Disney Blu-ray discs would do for movies like Snow White and Dumbo and add theater curtains to the side of the picture where the full frame black bars would be.  This is a smart use of it, because it would look good in the Gizmoplex virtual theater, adding to the Gizmoplex experience.

The added new content with Jonah and the Bots sees them mocking the jazzy Secret Agent Super Dragon theme host segment, relating the Bots still hear from Mimzy the Atomic Powered Robot, and Crow claims he has given up screenwriting to grift books on screenwriting to people who think they can do it.  Emily and her Bots have a segment, where Emily is being given spy gear by her Bot quartermasters is a fun idea, but the weird decision to constantly have the group change their accents in extremes (shifting from suave British to Cockney to Scottish ect) makes it very odd and a little unpleasant.  The show concludes with a new rap from Ross Bryant, the brilliant mind behind Mother Crabber, who takes Joel and the Bots' failed attempt at a theme and builds an actual song around it.  It's no Mother Crabber, but it's fun.  And there is even a bonus surprise, as they advertise our next episode, The Shape of Things to Come, and it's introduced by that classic Comedy Central announcer from the 90's, Penn Jillette!

Thrown in are some pre-recorded segments of Emily, (Kelsey's) Crow, and (Conor's) Servo thanking select Kickstarter backers, and Crow also reads a fan letter.  Whether this is the new way they're doing the name reads, I'm not certain, but I think it's an improvement over the stop-and-halt way they were doing it during the livestreams.

It's also possible they're just doing this specially for this stream because they wouldn't have been able to during tonight's show, which is a special role playing game called DIY Spy hosted by Tim Ryder, who puts rookie spies played by Emily, Conor, and Kelsey through hypothetical scenarios.  Like a lot of improv, it can have its ups and downs based on what the performers have to work with, but Emily, Conor, and Kelsey are game to see everything through to the end.  Emily is the MVP of the night, who brings us a character named Missy Livingston, who is obviously inspired by the Cockney homeless Eliza Doolittle from My Fair Lady.  Emily is seemingly the most mentally prepared and the most suggestive, throwing out more ideas of how to proceed than her teammates.  She seems to know that she is overwhelming the stream a bit too, sometimes refraining herself so Conor and Kelsey can influence events as well.  But Emily's ideas are so colorful and interesting that most of the time they'll default to what she suggests.  If nothing else, it makes me want to see a performance of My Fair Lady starring Emily.  Conor's character is Danny Landon, who is an excitable and nerdy rookie, while Kelsey goes femme fatale, puts on a ridiculous sunhat, puts on your stuffy southern belle accent that we heard so much in Demon Squad, and names herself Miss Chevious (get it?).  It can get a little confusing telling "Missy" and "Miss" apart as Tim refers to them, but whatever.  It's just fun and games.

Biggest laugh of the night goes to Emily (of course it does), who describes how she's going to use a bicycle pump to create and EMP grenade, which causes Conor to turn red in the face and fail at stifling his laughter.  Emily makes matters worse by seeing just how much she's affecting Conor and continually pumps it to make him laugh harder.  Flub of the night also goes to Emily, who says on air "Have you seen this shi...Have you seen this?"  I heard that, Emily.  You're on notice.  Random moment of the night goes to Kelsey, while they're assigned to eat sentient enemy pickles, who just reaches off screen, grabs a jar of pickles she happens to have lying around, and starts eating.  Now that's method.

After a couple of stale livestream events which just gave us an episode and a DVD bonus feature most MSTies have already seen, this event was a breath of fresh air.  It was fun, it was creative, and it was out of left field.  It also shows that they can still surprise and delight and just deliver a good old fashioned good time.  I don't know if they have anything else unique coming up, but this was certainly one that promises exciting things.  And all of this built around an episode I don't even like, so kudos.

1309-The Million Eyes of Sumuru

Film Year:  1967
Genre:  Thriller, Spy
Director:  Lindsay Shonteff
Starring:  Shirley Eaton, George Nader, Frankie Avalon, Klaus Kinski
MST Season:  13

Host:  Jonah

The Movie

*I HAVE SURVIVED WATCHING THIS MOVIE UNRIFFED*

Many might be familiar with Sax Rohmer's infamous villain creation Fu Manchu, though fewer might be familiar with another series of novels he wrote with another antagonist named Sumuru.  Sumuru is basically Fu Manchu again, only sexist instead of racist.  To the surprise of nobody, the producers of the 60's Fu Manchu films starring Christopher Lee also decided to bring Sumuru to the big screen, with less yellowface and more bare skin.

Sumuru is a lady criminal mastermind with an army of women at her disposal.  Her master plan sees her agents to marry the leaders of the world and murder them.  However her plans are threatened by a pair of smarmy and horny agents from America.  Their misadventures continuously come to a head (pun intended?  I don't even know anymore) as these guys make love and kick ass all the way to Sumuru herself.

In the more sexually liberated world of the 1960's, spy films of the era were shameless about utilizing women who used their curves as a weapon to distract from their own deviousness and, more importantly, sell tickets to men, because bad girls were hot.  The Million Eyes of Sumuru is something of a inevitable peak of that, as all women featured are dangerous, shapely, and very ready, willing, and able to show off their bodies.

Million Eyes of Sumuru isn't unentertaining, as there is a very primal 60's pop entertainment value at play (and, let's face it, the mostly female cast is hard for any male to resist).  It's a bit problematic in that it pretends to be about female liberation and empowerment, yet as the plot moves forward we see Sumuru's plans thwarted by women in their army who seemingly just discovered their lust of male body parts, and turn on their master simply out of desire for the male leads in the film.  In the end we get a movie that clearly thinks its feminist but feminist in a way that still has men dominating women.

Of course, if you want to deep dive into those themes you can argue the film is anti-Sapphic as well.  If you think about it, the film is about a large group of alienated women who only trust each other and don't wish to be associated with men, while being subservient to their queen dominatrix Sumuru.  If that doesn't scream lesbian undertones, I don't know what does.  Not to mention a fear of homosexuality in general, as these women are inherently evil.  Then going back to the men of the film turning the women through sex, one can definitely say the ultimate message of the film is that all that's needed to turn a gay girl straight is the male member.

The movie's humor can be a bit of a double edged sword too.  The main characters have so many wisecracks and are so unphased by the violence happening around them that they almost border on parody.  This isn't exactly a James Bond-ian suave one-liner type of dynamic that's in play (though it might be intended) as they see people they've interacted with moments before get killed and even crack jokes at their expense, which is weird and tacky.  This movie might even have been intended to be seen as a parody because of this, as there is a certain argument that can be made for its off-center tone.  I don't think it quite works in either direction, because it just winds up offputting.

But, if you're into 60's adventure flicks, Million Eyes of Sumuru has its pleasures.  Action is abound, and intrigue is in play for a while.  I'm charmed by the idea of the girl power premise, even if it doesn't quite deliver on that.  If someone were to debug the idea of a femme fatale spy organization seeking world dominance and make it less problematic this could be a fun idea for a franchise, but as is Sumuru doesn't hit the mark.  I was almost entertained, though I probably would never be interested in watching it again.

Million Eyes of Sumuru was followed by a sequel several years later called The Girl from Rio.  There is a RiffTrax for this movie, as well as Sumuru, so there's an easy way for fans to double feature these flicks without having to watch them straight.

The Episode

Another film prominently featuring lady abdomens and navels so soon after The Batwoman?  Why, Mystery Science Theater, I'm flattered and bashful all at once.  But I'm not going to say no!

"This one sounds familiar."

"Shhh."

The new seasons of Mystery Science Theater 3000 seem to fulfill a pattern of bringing in a movie selection as a nostalgia play from a series fans recognize from the show and also picking a movie that was already used for riffing fodder by sister project RiffTrax.  For season 11, the nostalgia pick was Loves of Hercules while the RiffTrax pick was Wizards of the Lost Kingdom.  For Season 12 they combined into one with Ator, the Fighting Eagle.  In season 13 we received Gamera vs. Jiger for our nostalgic warm fuzzies while we also have The Shape of Things to Come down the pipeline, which was already given the RiffTrax treatment.

Then there is Million Eyes of Sumuru.  The thing about Sumuru for all us seasoned MSTies is that it was featured on MST back in the KTMA days, so this in essence is like "Nostalgia Pick 1.5" for this season, after seeing Gamera's return a few episodes ago while also calling back to the KTMA reriffs of Season 3.  One could also argue it's the candidate for "RiffTrax Did It" film of the year, but MST had this movie first, so I'd argue a veto might be order of that title.  Maybe we should meet in the middle and say it's two flavors in one bite, like Ator!

"Who was the man?"

"You da man, my lady!"

I'm happy they picked Sumuru because the KTMA episode is half fun and half dead.  But even if it were a great episode, there was plenty of room for improvement over what KTMA had to offer.  And it's a weird movie that offers a lot of strange stuff to showcase, so it would be interesting to see what a scripted commentary could mine from it.  And whatever can be said about the episode, it's certainly an upswing from the first one.  Humor is solid, and there were some jabs that got me to bark a laugh at many points, though I hesitate to name anything that made me roll.  But this movie tends to wander around and stumble into its plot accidentally, which gets Jonah and the Bots to amp up its more absurd elements to colorful results.  There is an assassination scene late in the movie that is a domino effect of nonsense sequentially tumbling in motion, and as it gets crazier, a character shouts "It's a girl!" at the would-be assassin, prompting the trio to just yell "CONGRATULATIONS!" like they were at a gender reveal party.  I don't think this riff normally would have gotten a reaction out of me, but the chaotic nature of the scene just kind of set it up as a punctuation to absurdity, and I laughed more than I probably should have.

I'm tempted to restate my criticism of Batwoman and say there are some easy wells to tap in this movie that the rebooted show always seems nervous to take advantage of.  But if there is one advantage Sumuru has over Batwoman it's that Jonah's crew is a bit more adventurous with where it sails than Emily's was in the previous episode.  While humor isn't quite as risqué as it could be (and believe me, this movie is asking for it), riffs do cut deeper into the sexist/sexy themes of the movie without getting too naughty or trashy.  Throughout the movie Sumuru's army are depicted as Karens, slumber party girls, chattering cheerleaders, southern belles and the like, while sexual situations are tip-toed and given a few catcall-style jokes to push it a little.  They can get a little randy if they need to, as during a scene midway through the film we see George Nader pass two giant doorknockers and Crow just lets out the on-the-nose line "WHAT KNOCKERS!" which I will freely admit made me laugh.

The host segments have ups and downs.  I found myself most amused when the fraternity energy between Jonah and the Bots was at its fullest.  I really enjoyed the segment where the Bots are obsessed with how tall Jonah is (likely because they have the more petite Emily to compare him to now) and just roughhouse with him.  By comparison, the segment where Jonah plays a prank on the Bots (with a wig) is kinda lame, but Crow's aggressive reaction toward Jonah at the end is hilarious.  More movie-focused, they taunt just how aimless the heroes of our movie are and play with coded messages in acronym, both of which are cute ideas that didn't really land.  Down on Moon 1, Dr. Kabahl has notes and Kinga gets a song honoring all the lady supervillains throughout history.  The Invention Exchange includes coffee that wakes you up with your deepest, darkest fears and mundane workplace Skittles.

Sumuru is an upswing from the little-too-straight-and-narrow-but-spirited Batwoman, though I'd still advise against using films like this unless you're going to fully commit to what they have to offer.  It feels like there is something of a Girl-in-Gold-Boots-like minor-gem to make in this movie but they won't handle it the way it's asking for and it's frustrating to see movies like this wasted.  It's a funny episode that rests on the lower end of offerings of the season, though this season has been largely consistent, so saying it's a lesser offering isn't really raking it through the coals.

⭐⭐⭐

Good

The Livestream

This livestream almost seemed like a direct response to my complaint about the last one, where I said it was too fluffy and not substantial, in particular noting the lack of real production talk.  This time Matt McGinnis gathered up a group of people from the writer's room, some of which we haven't seen before on the stream, namely Devon Coleman and Tammy Golden, and it was absolutely lovely to see the duo live and on camera after all the social media interaction I've seen them do.  Also here is Tim Ryder and, finally guesting on a stream for more than five minutes, Felicia Day!

This is a very fun, very substantial conversation about the writer's room.  They answer a lot of questions about joke writing, filling up allotted time, and how many times they watch the movie.  They talk about having any desire to watch films again after using them on the show, to which Devon sings praises of Doctor Mordrid and Kinga describes very colorful things that she would do if she had to watch Munchie again.  They even discuss the Sumuru's prior usage on MST, which Tim says he decided against screening because he didn't want to cement himself to previous jokes like he did during the Eegah live tour.  I would say that since Sumuru's previous episode was a KTMA show, he didn't really have much to worry about.  However Matt does provide a comparison between the openings of both the new version and the KTMA version, of which both feature a reference to supermodel Twiggy.

Of note:  Matt claims they have no master copies of KTMA episodes, which is unfortunate though it's contradicted by the quality copies of Invaders from the Deep and Revenge of the Mysterons from Mars that were released, as well as high quality KTMA material that has been released in general (admittedly before Shout purchased the show from Jim Mallon).  Perhaps they don't have copies of all the KTMA episodes or they got lost in transition?  Dunno.  But the KTMA clip they use is definitely recorded from television, though it feels cleaner than my personal copy of the episode.  Don't know where they got it from, if they did their new remastering process on it, or if it was just a taped copy for the MST archives.  At any rate, Tim is happy they don't have to display time and teperature anymore, to which Ivan Askwith provides a Cambot style joke at his expense.

The writers have this sort of weird fondness for this movie that they'll dog but do so with such warmth.  They have fun dissecting the weird creative choices of this movie and postulate some theories.  Sometimes they come up a blank, and Felicia can't figure out why everyone is indifferent to death in this movie (which is admittedly very odd).  They get a few good digs in at the height differences between George Nadar and Frankie Avalon while also trying to figure out just what the hell was up with Klaus Kinski's weird role in the film, prompting the biggest laugh of the stream from Devon who claims Klaus told them "You get a day to shoot with me because that's how long it takes for Werner Herzog to track me down."

Fan questions are a lot better during this stream than the previous one, and they prompt some delightful discussion and joking around.  Matt and Tim react to some of the user names, including "Bob Dole" and "Q" (the latter gets an absolute homerun response from Tim, "You can't just switch forums like that!").  The stream's final question is a bit of a fizzle and pop, as they revert to one of those hypothetical questions that haunted the last stream and it's a not very interesting one (though it doesn't help that Matt misreads it).  Basically it's about board spaces on a potential MST Monopoly, but nobody can really run with the idea.  Tim does host a mini-rant about how much Monopoly sucks, and Felicia wonders if MST Clue could work, but the question is almost granted a mercy killing as the stream runs out of time.

They also announce a new cosplay contest for Halloween, with the winner to be announced during the livestream of The Mask.  I've already lost.

1308-The Batwoman

Film Year:  1968

Genre:  Superhero, Action, Science Fiction

Director:  René Cardona

Starring:  Maura Monti, Roberto Cañedo, Hector Goody

MST Season:  13

Host:  Emily

The Movie

*I HAVE SURVIVED WATCHING THIS MOVIE UNRIFFED*

This movie that is totally copyright infringing on the original property of The Wild Wild World of Batwoman is a film from Mexico so obviously it is also about wrestling.  Wrestlers have been turning up dead with their pineal glands sucked of their fluids, which is a part of the diabolical plot of a mad scientist, who intends to use the fluid to create a race of fish men to do his bidding.  The authorities call for the help of the superheroine Batwoman, wrestler by day and bikini-clad crimefighter by night!  Batwoman deep dives (no pun intended) into the mystery to uncover the diabolical plot, but she puts herself at risk of being mutated into a fish woman herself.

This film is of course a flick that toes on those copyright laws while it tries to cash in on the success of the 60's Batman TV show.  The film largely seemed to have gone unnoticed back in its day, but Wild Wild World of Batwoman also seemed to slip through the cracks so maybe the DC offices didn't care.  Wild Wild World seemed less intent on copying Batman than The Batwoman is, as that was just a vampire beach comedy with a similar name to a popular show.  The Batwoman is more shameless, as it's a gender-swapped superhero tale that shows skin.  But it's weird to think they were both able to use the name "Batwoman" as DC had already established a Batwoman in the comics back in the 50's.  She didn't really get adapted into film media until post-millennium projects (notably a recent Batwoman TV series on the CW), but her roots had already been established.

Outside of its dubious connection to the Batman franchise, the first thing you realize about Batwoman is that it's a very thirsty flick.  Lead role actress Maura Monti is a statuesque and shapely Italian beauty, and this production wants to show that off.  The majority of her scenes in this film feature her in a purple bikini, which is her crimefighting outfit for some reason.  I get that the standard tights for superheroes wasn't even all that protective in the 60's, but this is an outfit that doesn't seem all that protective from even a nip slip.  But hey, at least it's free flowing for maximum movement!  It's a movie that very much wants you to look at the breasts.  Even when Monti is wearing less revealing clothing, the cleavage is abundant.  The girls down there are the star of the show.

The production at least has the advantage of being a more professional looking movie than The Wild Wild World of Batwoman.  That accomplishment wasn't hard to do though.  The movie at least has some good location work to make it feel expansive, but when it comes to special effects work you can see the pennies being pinched.  The science lab scenes are full of plastic with little convincing while the villainous fish man monster makes the Horror of Party Beach look dignified, with a flabby rubber costume and a toothy grin that is admittedly less creepy than the one Matt Gaetz has.

Less a fault of the production itself, the worst thing about this movie is the dub.  It's more recent than a lot of the dubs you'll hear on movies this age (I theorize it was commissioned in the last few years) but it is shoddy work.  I've heard fan dubs that are more professional than this.  The audio quality is very sharp, feeling laid over the movie instead of integrated into it.  You can definitely tell something is off during crowd scenes, where they just use crowd audio from the movie and lay an English line that doesn't match it over the top of the gabbing crowd.  Meanwhile there is a scene late in the movie has one of Batwoman's male companions fighting a fish man while you can hear Batwoman's awkward grunting and moaning noises during the struggle from offscreen.  It's weird, it's awkward, it feels like it was rushed.  It's quite possibly the worst dub I've ever heard.

All of this taken into consideration, The Batwoman is an enjoyable enough diversion in trashy cinema.  It constantly has sex appeal and it utilizes camp as a strength.  It's goofy fun, occasionally funny and not always intentionally.  And it does try to make you laugh.  The last scene of the movie has Batwoman and her partners laughing about surviving the danger they just faced, but Batwoman starts screaming and jumping into their arms because she saw a mouse.  You see, because the mighty Batwoman is still a member of the fairer sex and it's funny because she does super things but is afraid of something so little and harmless.  Irony!  Because of how cringe and on-the-nose it is, it's not very funny, but this backwards attempt at being clever is so dumb that it almost accidentally becomes funny again.  And that sums up Batwoman, it's accidentally fun.

The Episode

Boy, this riff hit at an awkward time.  We get to watch female Batman variant film immediately after a nearly completed film based on Batgirl was tossed in the trash by Warner Bros. via tax break shenanigans.  That movie was officially licensed and is now ash, meanwhile this flick was made through shady loophole jumping and actually got released.  I respect the latter more than the former.  And even if it wasn't Mystery Science Theater's intent with this episode, they allow us to have a lady version of the Caped Crusader, even if it's not the one we planned on.

"Bat-Keeba!"

Quip quality is a bit all over the map on this one.  There are a few gut-busters that got a solid belly laugh out of me, while large portions made me think "That's cute," while a sizable fraction didn't really feel like it was playing the movie up like it should.  You know for a fact that if this movie were riffed during the Sci-Fi era, we would have toed a naughty line with the jokes, thinking Horrors of Spider Island style.  As stated above, the movie is thirsty, and it makes sense to fire thirsty material back at it.  But the new MST3K seasons have seemed to snap back into being a family friendly comedy, and less family friendly humor probably isn't going to fly.

Still...why do a flick showing this much skin if you aren't going to go there?

I'd hate to say this, but perhaps Emily's crew was a wrong fit for this one.  I get why you'd want to give it to them, because with the film's faulted feminism, having a crew of riffers that are two-thirds women probably seems like a solid line-up to make fun of it.  But they aren't really playing that angle up either.  A lot of the humor seems sterile; trying to make it out without hitting on anything too sensitive.  Jonah's cast might have hit harder on this movie, maybe working up a bit of a frat house rowdiness in the theater.

I'm not going to knock the commentary too hard, because it's spirited, even if it is going through the motions.  It's a fun movie to watch, and Emily and the Bots seem to be enjoying themselves.  There are some cute nods, such as noticing a boat in this movie is named "Reptilicus," which prompts a Spanglish rendition of Every Country Has a Monster, and they seem to keep their beat in a musical mood throughout the episode.  In fact, most of the theater segments end by having them dancing on their way out to the movie's groovy 60's tunes.  And one of my favorite jokes of the episode has the bikini'd Batwoman entering a car and yelping, causing Servo to respond "Sorry Batwoman!  We should have told you about the hot vinal seats!"

I had a lot of fun with the visuals of the host segments in this episode, though few of them stood out to me as being very funny.  For example, the Billionaire Vigilante Gala is fun to watch because the costume designs are so good, though I didn't quite find the dialogue as engaging.  There's a fun segment that has Emily captive by the Bots who plan to turn her into an animal monster which has a great rope prop that Emily keeps playing with, but the scene it's parodying happens much, much later in the movie and it doesn't quite land as early as it's placed.  And the Batwoman kit is cute, though it doesn't hit the bullseye of jokes they could be making about her costume.  But then again, perhaps we shouldn't be asking any of our castmembers to go full-on Batwoman bikini.

In the previous episode, Kinga and Pearl decided to go on a family bonding trip and left Max in charge of Moon 1.  If you're dying to know what happens from there, there's not a whole lot of pay-off to it except the final scene.  Synthia is actually the most featured Mad in this episode, while it also gives the most screentime for Mega-Synthia since she was introduced (and it's about time, poor Yvonne has been shushed in the corner long enough).  The Invention Exchange features a Vin Diagram of Vin Diesel movies while Mega-Synthia has a Duck Tape Dispenser for duct tape.

I don't know if watching the latest RiffTrax Live hours before this episode dropped tuckered me out, but I did feel a bit winded while watching Batwoman.  Ultimately I didn't find the episode inducing many laughs, at least not quite as many as the last two episodes.  What I did feel from this episode was a sizable amount of good vibes.  It's fun to watch and it felt like our riffers were having a blast doing it.  If good vibes are what an episode offers, then that's enough for me to consider it an enjoyable endeavor.  It's clearly Emily's weakest episode yet and the weakest episode since Robot Wars, but that just makes it the lowest on a totem of consistency.

⭐⭐⭐

Good

The Livestream

Okay, before I talk about the livestream for this episode, I want to bring up something that was brought to my attention immediately after it ended and I was retroactively disappointed that the stream did not address.  Yvonne Freese has been absent from these streams for a while (I think the last time we saw her was Beyond Atlantis) and it has gone without comment so far.  I heard some rumblings that she was ill, but like all rumors you take it with a grain of salt.  Then after the premiere festivities I saw confirmation that Yvonne had been diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis, which is absolutely heartbreaking to hear.  Our hearts and prayers are with you, Yvonne.

Right now she needs help with medical bills, so if at all possible, please contribute to her GoFundMe.  And if you have no change to spare, please share the link around and hopefully it will be reached by many people who can help.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/yvonnes-ms-medical-costs

I'm not going to offer too much harsh judgment on the stream not bringing this up.  It's meant to be a celebration of the series and we don't want to dampen the fun (it's also very possible Yvonne didn't want them to bring it up).  But at the same time, MSTies would care about this and MSTies would want to help.  This is definitely a missed opportunity to raise awareness for someone in our fam.

All of that aside, how is the livestream?  Just like the episode, no hysterics, just good vibes.  Seeing that our guest cast is Emily's crew (including Yvonne, for the first time in months, albeit with crappy internet in the middle of a thunderstorm), which is usually the rowdy group of the bunch, brings expectations of a complete off-the-rails show where everyone goes off script and makes everyone double over in laughter, but they are light on that here.  I don't know if they're restrained because they want to keep it orderly or if they just didn't have the opportunity to completely sink this boat, but they're on their best behavior tonight.

Talking points usually revolve on the goofiness of the film.  Master of ceremonies Matt McGinnis admits he was a little flustered about choosing this movie, for reasons such as...it's so thirsty.  He says her outfit was "not flattering."  I disagree.  Maura Monti looks flattering in anything.  Whether or not it was tasteful is a different story.  Meanwhile there is talk about how much the cast loves these Spanish Luchador movies and Emily specifically requests for more.  There is also comparison between Santo and Batwoman, of which the cast just about universally prefers Batwoman.  They also compare this Batwoman and the Batwoman from Wild Wild World of Batwoman.

The fan questions are mostly softball hypothetical questions, like what superhero would look good in a bikini or who's your favorite superhero.  There are some colorful answers, though I would have preferred some spicier conversation starters.  I'm not going to whine about not being picked, but one question I submitted had to do with the costumes during the Vigilante Gala, which I'm sure we could have had an interesting discussion on.  I was mostly curious about Emily's and whether she was only wearing an above counter costume, because I could only envision wearing a dress over a puppet trench to be an issue both in safety practicality and...well, functionality.

(#ClaraGIF)

(those who follow me on Twitter understand)

(Yes, I only brought this up so I could post this GIF, what about it?)

That's just an example of questions that could have been asked that were more about production and less about filling time with fluff.  The stuff talked about here is cute, but I didn't really feel the urge to watch this stream a second time for review like I normally do because I think I soaked in everything I needed to the first time around.

But whatever.  It's a fun but soft stream to a fun but soft episode, though very little of the night will prove to be a memorable one down the road.  We've had more wild nights, but I'm not gonna complain about hanging with our peeps for a night of just chillin'.

"The Wonder of Reproduction" & A Tribute to The Pumaman (MST3K Special)

The Short

Learning all about the birds and the bees...from fish!

Let me tell you, with a title like this there were a number of ways this short could have gone and not all of them (0.01% of them) would have been family friendly.  I didn't expect it to be about a bunch of kids bugging some dude about seeing his new fish, but here we are.  How did these fish get here?  Well, it's the wonders of everyone's favorite social activity:  reproduction!

Just be glad we don't have to blow bubble nests or keep our eggs in our mouths, otherwise sex would be much more awkward than it already is.  I built a bubble nest once.  That date did not go smoothly.

This short is from a series of educational shorts called the "Wonder Series."  Whether every short is fish related or if this is just a one time deal, I couldn't tell you.  I'm not sure how many kids are interested in fish reproduction (unless they're a little too into The Little Mermaid), especially if what they know about human reproduction is up in the air.  All I know is I don't like fish.  Their giant eyes creep me out.  The less I know about how they have sex, the better.

Emily's crew takes on this short, and for the most part they keep it clean.  There are a lot of openings for some blue humor and it seems on the tip of their tongue, but this is a family show so restraint is probably for the best.  Still, if you're trying to please family audiences, then maybe a reproductive short isn't your best bet for material.  Emily's crew does well with the short regardless, though it's not a riot by any means.  It feels a bit safe to me, and while that's good for a few chuckles, openings for better jokes make me long to hear them.  But, you know, family show.  Maybe RiffTrax wouldn't have been afraid to take the shot.

Thumbs Up

👍

The Livestream

This livestream is less a celebration of an episode but rather a celebration of...upscaling, I guess.  Something that has been happening behind the scenes of the Gizmoplex is something that Joel Hodgson and Matt McGinnis refer to as "surgical enhancement."  Basically this means that they're working on a sort of digital remastering of the episode library of the original series.  Now, since the classic series was filmed and released in standard definition, there isn't a lot you can do, but they're working on making the best possible picture quality for these episodes anyway as our home media experience becomes more scrutinizing with video quality.  We have 4K home media discs now and TVs are up to 8K now (despite there being very little 8K content at the moment).  To expect classic Mystery Science Theater to meet those standards is unreasonable, but making the episodes look as sharp as possible is a prospect worth looking into.  Not to mention that new episode transfers could potentially drive traffic to the Gizmoplex for classic era MSTies who don't give a damn about new episodes.  It's something that could boost the MST library for a few decades in streaming.

So what is this, exactly?  Mostly it's an upscale.  Those of us who have seen classic MST on blu-ray releases has an idea of what it can look like (at least the better transfers), though they're also working on enriching the colors of the films and episodes.  Joel hosts an opening intro to this stream showing a side-by-side comparison, showing how faded Pumaman originally when the episode aired in the 90's while also showing off how colorful the enhancement is.

It looks fine.

Look, I'm of two minds of this.  I think altering the looks of the movies could potentially collide with the comedy of the episodes, since some jabs could mock the prints of the films themselves which would ruin the punchline.  Embarking on something like this is a thankless task that could potentially hurt the episodes.  But as stated above, video quality gets more important for media watchers by the year so there is a payoff, even if it could be a limited one.  So sure, work your library how you can.

But please, for fuck's sake, don't crop it.

What really grinds my gears about this stream isn't the remastering itself, it's that they cropped the episode.  They zoomed in to try and minimize the theater seats as much as possible, and it's not even enough to take away the full frame experience, so cutting off even that much is pointless.  However it should be noted nothing is cropped during the host segments (and I did ratio comparisons to confirm this) so all we're losing is a batch of black at the bottom during the theater segments.  But no matter what is cut off from the picture of the episode, altering an aspect ratio is something that doesn't sit well with me.  I even get pissed off watching Gamera vs. Guiron and seeing how the video on the film in that movie is stretched vertically.  I don't want it and if this is what "surgically enhanced" is bringing to the table, I'm not buying.  Luckily Joel does stress that the original versions of the episodes will still be available to viewers who don't want this.

So the last few paragraphs are just me wasting time getting to the point of me saying I don't care.  But there are probably people that do, so do it for them.

While the "enhancement" is the star of the show with this stream, let's not forget that Pumaman is a great episode (review here).  This stream doesn't have much to offer it except a few cute new host segments with Emily, Jonah, the Bots, Pearl, and Synthia.  Bonus host segments feature the Bots trying to get superpowers in a variety of Marvel and DC related means, Crow throwing around conspiracy theories, and just about everyone debating the pronunciation of "Pumaman."  And like the Gamera vs. Gurion stream, we conclude with a bonus feature from the Volume XXIX collection, which is an interview with Pumaman himself, Walter George Alton.

This stream is less a friendly episode rewatch and more a look at more of what the Gizmoplex can offer the series in the long run.  I don't have much use for it myself (at least not in the way featured here), but I do appreciate the effort and think it could be for the best.  I just ask that they don't fall into the darker traps of what projects like these can do, which they disappointingly already have.  I hope they can pull themselves out of it, though.